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Google Be Afraid!

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Rufus2 Tue 18-Aug-20 05:50:09

www.cnet.com/how-to/google-collects-a-frightening-amount-of-data-about-you-you-can-find-and-delete-it-now/

This might interest any worry-guts! grin
Please let me know how you went!
OoRoo

Esspee Tue 18-Aug-20 07:23:41

That is scary Rufus2. Don’t think I’m bright enough to do it myself but if I find the time I’ll most certainly try. Thank you.

Elegran Tue 18-Aug-20 08:07:18

Have you read the thread on the new consent form that Gransnet is using, which supposedly you can fill in with your preferences about ads etc? That comes from Google and as Gransnet is on Google's automatic ad insertion scheme, GN has no choice but to use it.

You select what you will permit, save it, log in and use the site, then the next time you log in it is wants you to agree again with one click- and when you l;ook more closely, half the things you marked as "No" have gone back to "Yes".

www.gransnet.com/forums/site_stuff/1283272-New-consent-form-UPDATE-Link-to-FAQs-here

Oldwoman70 Tue 18-Aug-20 08:14:14

I want to know why the "legitimate interest" toggle always changes back to "Yes"

Elegran Tue 18-Aug-20 08:35:02

It seems to be because they can legally use our details for legitimate reasons. Below I quote from a talk given at a GDPR summit in London. Sorry it is rather long, but it is very readable and sets out the position. The whole article is at gdpr.report/news/2018/04/30/consent-versus-legitimate-interests/

"Under GDPR there are six lawful bases for processing personal data. But for marketing purposes, the two most popular are consent and legitimate interests.

For consent, the individual must have given clear consent.

For legitimate interests, processing must be necessary for your legitimate interest or your customers.

Consent must be:

freely given
specific
informed and unambiguous
unbundled
granular
named
documented
and easy to withdraw.

Julia says that consent has become something of an obsession, and is seen by many as a kind of gold standard. But under GDPR, no lawful basis is more important than any other.

So what are the pros and cons of consent?

Pros:

Unambiguous,
easier to implement,
perceived as a gold standard.

Cons

It’s a one-off opportunity, if you ask for consent and it is not given, there is nowhere to go, it’s sudden death.
Response rates will be depressed relative to legitimate risks interests as opt-in is required.

Legitimate interests

She gave as examples of legitimate interests:

Fraud detection and prevention
Compliance with foreign law
Industry watch lists and self- regulatory schemes
Information, system, network and cyber security
Employment data processing
General Corporate Operations and due diligence
Product development and enhancement
Communications and marketing.

It is that last point on the above list that surprises many.

GDPR is clear, Recital 47 states it in black and white: “The processing of personal data for direct marketing purposes may be regarded as carried out for a legitimate interest.”

Complexity is added by a different regulation – PECR. This requires that in most cases people have to give consent to receive emails, but there is a line that refers to soft-in. So if you have collected someone’s email in the course of doing business, and there is an opt-out option, you can send them emails, subject of course to various requirements under PECR, including strict rules on providing opt-out opportunities for the recipient of an email.

So, what are the pros and cons of legitimate interests?

Pros:

Flexible and not purpose specific
long term security over processing of data
risk based approach to compliance:

Cons:

To justify legitimate interests, it is harder to demonstrate compliance,
It means you take on more responsibility for protecting the interests of individuals.

Julia reminded delegates that GDPR is about lawfully, fairly and transparently processing customer’s data.

She referred to an IPSOS poll that found 69 percent of people distrust advertising. But with digital display, click through rates are just 0.05 to 0.1 percent. So the size of a database less important than its quality. And building trust is crucial. So applying GDPR principles is not just a case of something you have to do because it’s law, it is something you have to do because it’s vital to marketing success."

Rufus2 Wed 19-Aug-20 13:59:00

Sorry it is rather long
So it is! Elegran
If I could be allowed a couple of positive comments;
The whole treatise could do with compressing using some judicious editing and;
I was taught many, many years ago that when relying on acronyms in order to speed things up it was helpful to the audience to expand at their first use so that there was no need for guessing by those not fully cognisant of the subject.
Just a couple of thoughts! smile
Good Health.

Elegran Wed 19-Aug-20 14:16:04

Thank you, Rufus. I know all of that, and, in fact, I do it very frequently on Gransnet and elsewhere. That is my usual way of posting. but sometimes a short sharp post is not what is needed.

The only acronym I used was GDPR (General Data Protection Regulation) which is being flung around a lot at the moment. It is on a lot of "consent" threads on Gransnet and is very relevant to your original post.

In the post above, I was posting a quote from an expert, who was addressing people who were working from the other side of the consent debate. I felt that instead of giving a link - which many people wouldn't follow, thinking it to be to a pompous official pronouncement - it was better to quote exactly not only "what" the speaker had said, but how she said it. I found it sorry if you didn't.

fevertree Wed 19-Aug-20 14:26:06

I hate all the settings related to Google and other online sites! I recently posted a review on Google (as requested by a local business) and the next thing my daughter alerted me that I had inadvertently 'shared my location', including my address. Thank goodness it was only with her and not my entire contacts list.

Rufus2 Wed 19-Aug-20 15:13:56

I found it sorry if you didn't
Elegran I'm feeling more sorry for myself, now that I"m suffering RSI (repetitive strain injury) in my right wrist from scrolling through your rambling message grin
I didn't realise "PECR" wasn't an acronym; perhaps you miss-typed something! confused
OoRoo

Elegran Wed 19-Aug-20 15:29:50

Rufus I didn't type any of the quote. I just copied and pasted it from the online account of the talk. It isn't in italics as I would have liked, because to do that you have to add ^^ outside every single line of it that doesn't wrap, and my fingers get uncomfortable like yours.

Take up your question about the acronym and the rambling with the author of the quote. He is Michael Baxter, Board Director of DMA, speaking about Julia Porter, also from the DMA. DMA is an acronym for Direct marketing Association.

The bit of my post that you quote WAS a mistype though. It should have read "I found it readable, sorry if you didn't"