Rolf Harris verdict

I wonder how much of that he will actually serve?

Abour two and a half years I should think

I think he'll be subject to monitoring on release, and expected to undertake offender type groups in hmp.

I hope wheni'm will pop in before long, and give us accurate information about the monitoring etc. I think this sentence is long enough for him to be expected to work on his offending behaviour, and will he be subject to Mappa on release?

He'll be eligible to apply for parole at the half way stage but whether he will get it first time of applying is discretionery, depending on progress in prison and reduction of assessed risk.

"I'm rolf the lag diddle diddle diddle dum"
5 yrs and 9 months! Is that all? Why was his age taken into account and not the age of his victims? I'm sure that he will be welcomed into jail by other prisioners.....NOT.
Perhaps he can organise community singing or painting classes??? "Can you tell what it is yet?"

Just enough time to get treatment programme in whilst in custody. He'll be subject to MAPPA and because of his high public profile will be assessed at high risk level. Licence conditions will prevent him having contact with under-18s, be subject to sex offender registration, comply with reporting to police and receiving visits at home, attend probation appointments and undertake any further treatment needed, not undertake work that compromises his parole conditions (victims who are distressed by seeing him in media will be able to submit their concerns in advance of parole licence conditions being agreed). Breach any conditions and he can be recalled to prison during the full term of the sentence.

whenim64, when you say just enough time to get treatment programme in whilst in custody do you mean the 5 years 9 months or the half that he will possibly serve?

The one thing is that he will not be able to assimilate quietly back into society and possibly re-offend, because of his high profile. No hiding place.
That is if he ever comes out, thinking of his age and did I hear that more charges are being considered?

I was surprised to hear about the child porn images found on his computer, only heard about this today and apparently CPS are not proceeding with the prosecution because they did not want to appear to be "oppressive"!

I don't think his age was taken into account.

He was tried and sentenced under the law as it applied at the time of the offences, and it looks to me as if he was actually sentenced to the maximum term those laws allowed.

rose he could complete treatment in the actual time served in prison, taking into account what the assessment throws up. 'Treatment dosage' - amount of treatment needed to show a treated profile at completion - averages three years for someone like him (of course, some sex offenders are so resistant to treatment that no amount will do any good). He's already shown signs that he took some responsibility and admits some of his behaviour, so he wouldn't be that difficult to get a shift in attitude - then further assessments and psychological testing would show whether he lies through his teeth - he'll do the lie detector before and after. This on its own doesn't tell the story, but in a battery of tests and range of assessments, as well as receiving intelligence about his behaviour when he thinks he isn't being scrutinised tells quite a lot.

Thank you whenim64, good to hear from one who knows.

Thanks whenim.

He does look reasonably fit and healthy for 84 but prison will take its toll
I hope.
I wonder if he will try to entertain the warders with little ditties as he did the courtroom.

Will it be in an Open Prison where inmates seem to come and go as they please ? Let's hope not.

I read in one report that he showed no signs of remorse. I would think he has to get to that stage before he can progress.
Sounds to me like an addiction, though at his age surely the urge has diminished.

Not an open prison. Category B or C where he'll receive treatment. Open prisons are for lowered risk offenders and lifers who are seen as suitable for open conditions when they are nearing the end of their sentence and are permitted to work or receive education/training locally.

I'm not sure he's shown remorse, Whenim64. You have more knowledge of working with offenders than I do. My work was focussed more on the damage they cause and I accept I may be angry with this man as a result.

He put his victims through a trial. He denies having had abusive images of children on his lap top. I don't have a problem with the CPS deciding not to pursue a trial on that case. He was found guilty of serious sexual offences. His reputation is trashed. He'll be subject to appropriate attempts to address his offending behaviour and monitoring via Mappa on release. I'm reasonably content that justice has been seen to be done. I feel for the women who had to give evidence, and for RF's family

You say on another thread, when, that sex offenders need at least three years inside to go right through a full treatment programme.

If Rolf Harris's sentence stands, he'll be allowed out of prison (albeit on licence) well before that period of time.

I should have said 'he'll probably...' of course. And I agree with Iam in that he doesn't seem to have shown any signs of remorse - the judge made a point of commenting on that.

This case certainly proves there is no hiding place in celebrity status. What an end to his life!

I find the whole just so incredible, it beggars believe , who have ever thought it !

Such a shame they did not get Savile, "or" as some saying So Vile

An astute comment from one of his victims on the radio earlier - she said he's been guilty also of fraud - pretended to be one thing to the public & another in private. I guess this may be why some who believed his public persona find it hard to accept his guilt & the fact they've been duped. I can't remember Stuart Hall's offences but his sentence now seems light, even with the extension, in comparison to RH's - can anyone enlighten me?

I noticed that too, GadaboutGran. I can only conclude that RH had a higher 'popularity' profile and was able to take advantage of more situations than Hall.

Ana I said an average of three years, not at least three years. He can complete some work on probation supervision if deemed suitable for release with work outstanding. No, he hasn't expressed remorse to the court, but did apologise in a letter and to a parent years ago. That's a sign that his denial is not so entrenched that he can't admit some responsibility and mean it. Sex offenders often say after trial that they were told not to apologise and imply responsibility, and they were directed as to what to say when cross-examined.

He has to account for his hospital visit with Jimmy Savile now, and his 'accidental' possession of abusive images of children on his hard drive. So far, he has appeared to be a lone offender so what possessed him to join JS that day? It doesn't fit what is known of him. Much work to do in prison, and he won't be categorised as being low risk of reoffending without undergoing treatment.

Does anyone else find it strange that the only letter of apology he wrote was to the father of one of the girls he assaulted, not to the girl. Its as if he was more concerned with the feelings of the father than the affect it had on the girl.